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Kyle Zagrodzky:

Welcome to another Unbreakable Me podcast. I’m here with today with Patrick Morrison and I’m excited and humbled to have him on here. You know one of the great things about the position that I have and at the company I own and my affiliation with Tony Robbins and this podcast is the people I get to meet. And I’ll be honest with you, it’s really kind of a humbling experience. And so normally we’re talking a lot about health and fitness or different bio hacks for your body, but we also bring in special guests from time to time because I admire their journey. And I think any part of living an unbreakable life and an unbreakable life is you know if you’ve listened to these podcasts, it’s anything that helps you lead a life that’s closer to unbreakable, whether it’s physical, emotional, in business relationships and so forth.

Kyle Zagrodzky:

And when I acknowledge somebody or recognize somebody who has exceptional story or background, I want to bring them on board and introduce him to you because I think you’ll grow from it. And so tod ay I have with me, Patrick Morrison, former NFL football player and author who’s written Before Common Ground. I’ve just read this book and I highly recommend it. We’ll put the link to it so you guys can grab it. I encourage you to do so. So welcome with us today, Patrick.

Patrick Morrison

Thanks for having me, Kyle. [crosstalk 00:01:49] for the platform.

Kyle Zagrodzky:

Yeah, yeah. Really great to have you here with us today, sir. And I’ll tell you this real quick before we get started, because I just finished your book and I recognize the theme, something that I learned from Tony Robbins, and we all know about… You want to get involved in a career or do a type of work in your life that you love that you’re passionate about because if you love it and you’re passionate about it, it’s not work. But I’ve noticed this. And I didn’t really fully come through. It’s took me probably two years to really understand what Tony was teaching in this. And it is this that it’s great to do something that you love, but oftentimes the energy that pushes you to be exceptional in something, is that which you hate too. And I say, hate but it’s all encompassing. And Tony refers to it as towards values and away from values, things that you’re pushing very hard away from.

Kyle Zagrodzky:

And I can’t help to have recognized this theme a lot in your story. And I don’t know if you… And correct me if I’m wrong and, honestly I could be completely wrong and miss the theme. It wasn’t really the theme of your book, but really as an exceptional athlete as you are, and I want to go ahead and focus on the exceptionalism. To become a professional athlete in any sport, whether it’s the NFL or NHL or, NBA or whatever, NBA, whatever. You’re really talking to people that have excelled in an area that makes them really .00001 in the world in terms of their capability. And the journey to get there is never easy and the stories that come from speaking with professional athletes that I’ve really got to do several times, it always amazes me. And I really appreciate that.

Kyle Zagrodzky:

And so, correct me if I’m wrong and I could… And then we’ll change directions. I got some different questions if I am. If this theme of love and hate or… And I guess that there’s a lot of anger too, in reading your story, did that seem like that your anger oftentimes fueled you to be a better football player? Is that accurate, Patrick?

Patrick Morrison

That is accurate. That is accurate.

Kyle Zagrodzky:

Well, tell us a little bit. Let’s see, you’re an immigrant from Paddington, England, which is in London. I’ve been there many times. And then you came over here at a young age and then through a lot of trials, you became an NFL football player. So tell us a little bit about your why. Why you wrote this book and tell us kind of the key aspects of this journey that really were some of your challenges and made you into the man that you are?

Patrick Morrison

Well, thank you. Thank again, Kyle for the opportunity. Yeah. I came here from Paddington, England. Indirectly I say that, right? So as an immigrant, most oftentimes the parents leaves before and sets up a home in the new land. I just used that term. And while she’s doing that, she leaves her children with a loved one, a family member, whatever it may be. That will get into details right now, which we can. What we did, what I did, what I saw about America, where my mother was, was what I saw on television. And I wanted to be where my mom was, which was America, right? American land, the home, the free, the brave, land of freedom, justice and equality for all. And a lot of sunshine, Palm trees and all those wonderful things which you don’t have in London, right? No Palm trees in London or in Paddington.

Patrick Morrison

So, I wanted to be here and when I got here, one of the first things I saw was a football game, not English football, obviously, soccer. It was American football. One of the first games I saw was a Dallas Cowboys versus the Pittsburgh Steelers. And I wanted to learn this part of American culture. I knew about the Cowboys and Indians from watching television in England. I would watch the old Army movies with John Wayne and Burt Lancaster, those types of guys. I used to watch all those movies in England.

Patrick Morrison

But when I came here, I was introduced to something new. A new sport [inaudible 00:06:13] became football Europe and the World League and all these different leagues. They didn’t have any of that in the late seventies. So when I first saw that game, I said, I want to play it. I want him to learn that part of American culture that I didn’t know about. I just want to be… I wanted to assimilate into a culture and be part of it. And just be that American. And I looked at football as that American sport.

Kyle Zagrodzky:

And that’s really kind of, I think that the spark of love that we were talking about. I think one of the challenges that I want to bring up in your book and I bring it up and it sounds like it was painful, but you wrote about it so I’m going to ask a little bit about it because it is the pain that drives us because we don’t want that pain. And so we sprint from it and whatever that looks like, whether it’s a pursuit of a professional career in sports or some other area that somebody is going after them, sometimes they’re running very hard away from something.

Kyle Zagrodzky:

And I thought was very moving was your story of when your mother came here by herself to the United States to establish herself. And she was in the United States for two years and left you in London. And I believe you were around six or seven years old at the time with your aunt and your uncle. And the way you told that story, I’m not a fan of your aunt. I hope that you were able to reconcile with her. She did not treat you well and was not a very fun person to be around, is that probably an okay way to sum that up?

Patrick Morrison

Quote, unquote, okay way to sum it up. Yes, sir.

Kyle Zagrodzky:

Okay. And I’m going over it, there’s a lot more to that story. And I sense the relief when you’re on the plane and you finally got to America and describing your shuttle ride over here, and I would imagine that that still has some painful memories that kind of go with that. And I think about things in my childhood too, and you don’t really realize how much they continue to affect you even into your adult… well into your adult years. So, tell us a little bit. As you started out there and you started learning how to play football, were you a natural? Was it easy for you in the beginning? Did you just… you fit right in and you’re just like this natural, amazing athlete, how’d that workout for you?

Patrick Morrison

I don’t know if I was amazing. I was probably like a chicken in this field, just running all over the place, just go chase whoever’s moving. And I think that’s why I initially did, was they say, “Pat, you cover him, just don’t make him touch the ball.” And I just did my best not to make him touch the ball or he drops back to throw the ball, get to it before he throws the ball.

Patrick Morrison

So I didn’t really understand the concept of football, but maybe I had some natural ability, I guess, which is probably just speed because I wasn’t a big, I was skinny. I was tall and skinny for my age. So it may have some natural speed. I wasn’t strong and I had never lift weights in my life. So, I learned when to run on the fly, how to play the game. And I was taught, right? So, New Rochelle, where I was raised is a football city. We’re a small city, but we’re a football athletic city with some of the best athletes that’s come out of New Rochelle, some of the best coaches. I think Tiger Woods first coach came from New Rochelle. So we have so a little pot of great athletes that decided New Rochelle.

Kyle Zagrodzky:

It’s because the weather’s so nice up there, people like to be outside, right?

Patrick Morrison

Yeah, something like that. And it toughens you up one way or another, I guess. And [crosstalk 00:09:58].

Kyle Zagrodzky:

What were… Go ahead. [inaudible 00:09:58] mean to interrupt, so you go ahead.

Patrick Morrison

So, one of my first friends that I mention in the book, right, is [inaudible 00:10:04].

Kyle Zagrodzky:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Patrick Morrison

[inaudible 00:10:06] embraced me and showed me the game. Showed me the characteristics I would say are from American, which he was tough. He was tough. His mouth is… was a tough mouth. When he was loving he was a friend. He was friends with everybody, but you don’t want to cross him. And he taught me a game of football and my old friends, Earl Bradshaw, different names I mentioned in the book. So I decided to learn the game and I got good at it. So once you get educated and I used my ability, I was able to put it together and make some progress.

Kyle Zagrodzky:

I think one of the things that I really do like about sports and team sports specifically is the comradery and the lines that get crossed. And you mentioned this in your book and I appreciated that a lot. It is. I see this with football a lot, but many team sports is there’s a cross between cultures and races that doesn’t seem to be surpassed in any other really walk that I’ve noticed. And you’ve made friends from every walk of life, I guess, is the best way to put it. And that was a beautiful thing that I think is always one of the things that I keep back in my mind in terms of possibilities of where we go as a society in working together, isn’t working together just appreciating everybody, and so that was pretty cool.

Kyle Zagrodzky:

Tell me, what are some of the challenges that you faced that you had to overcome in this journey, because getting to the NFL is a lot of people have these dreams and very few get the very few get to have those dreams? So tell us a little bit about some of the hurdles challenges that you had to face or overcome that others perhaps don’t.

Patrick Morrison

Yeah. So once again, being an immigrant and loving this sport, and I want to pursue it to whatever levels I was able to pursue it. Think about pursuing it, one thing, once again, a tall, skinny, funny sounding black boy is now in New Rochelle, right? He doesn’t sound like an American. He’s definitely… Does he have a West Indian or Jamaican or African voice? He had a British voice. And that’s kind of strange to have dark skin man, young boy with this British voice, so I was bullied a lot, right? So this book, I think there’s no [crosstalk 00:12:41] bullying.

Kyle Zagrodzky:

Yeah. Well, normally Americans are suckers for English accents. I’m sorry that that was a problem for you.

Patrick Morrison

English women or English men?

Kyle Zagrodzky:

You know what? The same. But I will say this one of my first crushes in elementary school was with a girl who had an English accent. But you know this, sorry you struggled with that.

Patrick Morrison

Right. Right. So it was the guys. The guys didn’t like it and they stepped up and challenged me, so there’s some bullying. There was some bullying going on. I mentioned in the book, mama told me, “You got to stand up. This is America. It’s a tough place, but it’s a good place. You could still make it.” So one time I came home crying. She said, “Nope, go back and handle it.” [crosstalk 00:13:25].

Kyle Zagrodzky:

No, I think specifically she says, “Pick up a brick if you have to and hit the guy.”

Patrick Morrison

I’m going to save some for the book, but yeah, pick up a brick, whatever you got to find, you protect yourself, right? You got to do what you got to do to protect yourself. And it comes a point, right? We don’t want to teach our children per se, go out and fight with those that fight with you, but there comes a point and like anything else, you get pushed to the corner, you have to defend yourself. You have to be a man. And that’s where manhood begins. You have to stand up on principle and stand up for who you are and don’t let anyone trample who you are.

Patrick Morrison

So there came a point, when I was probably what? Eight by now. When I had to stand up and face the critics per se, and even when that happened, that’s respected you see. Because now the guys that are my friends who’s on the sidelines, they now stepped up and say, “Okay, he’s not… He’s trying. He’s trying his best. When there’s like five guys around him, he’s trying his best.” So Earl would step in, Bradshaw or [inaudible 00:14:27] would step in if they asked enough guys. He’s asked enough, right? And so now I had some allies and later on those alleys became my teammates and we were able to move forward. And what does that do, right? Exact deals, trust that they could depend on me and I could depend on them.

Kyle Zagrodzky:

Yeah. That’s so understated I think the way that society… Western civilization is going is, and one of the things… Because you and I are pretty close in age. I think you’re about four or five years older than I am. I’m going to… At the filming of this, I’m actually going to complete my 52nd run around the sun tomorrow. And so one of the things I really enjoyed about reading your book was I was relating to it a lot in terms of just the things you were talking about. I knew what it was like to be in the seventies and looking at a black and white TV and the shows and whatever you’re talking about. But one of the things that I think that we’ve lost as we’ve become so much more transient, that technology is so really affected and infiltrated our society, that we’ve become less connected.

Kyle Zagrodzky:

And it’s sad because I think one of the things that was… You had a lot of acknowledgements in the back of your book. You talk a lot about the friends and relationships. You acknowledge the people who touched your life and helped shepherd you along a lot, which was fantastic. But I don’t really see that happening as much in this society, not the closeness of relationships as… I mean, they’re there. They’re just not as prevalent today as they were then. And what kind of… I mean, how much… I mean, when I look at you and your story that your journey wouldn’t have been the journey it is without the people that you had around you along the way, would you agree with that?

Patrick Morrison

I would agree 100%. From Earl to [inaudible 00:16:21] to Mr. Bailey, I mentioned, my first coach who was really tough on us, but he was also my social studies teacher, so I saw him during the day, after, at the end of the day. And he made sure that he tutored me and mentored me in my teenager years the best he could. And of course, Coach Crocker for many years too. So yes, absolutely. It’s important that we have those social… We’re social beings, right? So when we have this social media going on now to begin with, people are supposed to be socially connected, we’re actually socially separated because of this social media. We don’t get to touch, feel each other like we used to.

Kyle Zagrodzky:

Oh yeah. We’re all… We were really good at social distancing before social distancing became a thing with COVID, right? So that one thing kind of made me a little bit nostalgic as I was going back and reading it and also made me a little bit sad too. And I think it’s one of the things about team sports than people who either don’t have a passion for it, or don’t have the physical capability for team sports really miss out on having that level of comradery. It is truly valuable. Tell me this. What do you think was, I guess, in the entire story, what do you think was like the… In your NFL journey part of it was the biggest experience you had either negative or biggest challenge you had, a specific story?

Patrick Morrison

So I started was… I think I’m on the last two chapters of editing the follow-up to this book. Before… What’s it called? Upon This Ground I Trod, which is the experience of being on the Giants and the camaraderie continues, but we also learn the business of professional sports. So when I sit back now, 30 years later and I listen and I watch what I hear and see on television with athletes and the amount of money they make… I don’t know why they argue. There’s so much money they make. I understand some of the things that’s happened behind the scenes of why they behave the way they behave, right? So, and us, the regular sports fan on the other side of the camera, we don’t see that. And we look at the athlete as though he is a pre-Madonna or he’s this, he’s that, he’s this, but the business of professional sports is a business and it’s a serious business.

Patrick Morrison

And I do see athletes get taken advantage of, and I write about in my second book, how I played so well, I went to the arena ball played so well that I got the Iron Man award, which is the best player on offense and defense. And I took the place of another guy that got hurt that didn’t know how to play defense. To make a long story short, that was my last game I played. It was the last game I started, although I was the best player on offense and defense. And I was wondering why. Sometimes it comes out, what school did you go to? I went to Southern Connecticut. You’re going to play a guy from Alabama before you play a guy from Southern Connecticut.

Kyle Zagrodzky:

Yeah, It’s going happen.

Patrick Morrison

Right. [crosstalk 00:19:44], right? So it’s just things like that, that people don’t see that I got to see, and it’s disheartening. And one of the reasons why I shut this… my career short, other than my injury, but these are the things that really motivated me while I was there though to do the best so I know that I gave my best. I gave my all and I have no regrets at the end of the day.

Kyle Zagrodzky:

No regrets. That’s an important way to live your life. So tell me a little bit about after the NFL, what are… Because that’s a big transition for a lot of people. And the people that I’ve talked to who’ve been in the NFL, transitioning out of the NFL is a big challenge because… And to create a, maybe another analogy that people can kind of understand is that when we were doing the moonshot in the sixties and all of the people that were involved in making that happen, it was… they felt at the time, it was the most important work that they were ever going to do in their lives. The comradery, the teamwork, the focus on a common goal. And when it was done, a lot of those people turned to drugs and alcohol because they just didn’t feel like anything in their life really mattered.

Kyle Zagrodzky:

And your book kind of ends right as you get accepted into the NFL and for the Giants, which by the way was kind of a nail biter the way you tell that story. I was… You must’ve been a stressed out dude. I could imagine. So it’s a good book guys. I recommend it. Tell me a little bit about, did you have any that experience or challenges after the NFL?

Patrick Morrison

Yes. Absolutely I did. Upon This Ground I Trod, my next book is going to talk about that. It talks about the period where I was… I got injured a little bit, and I didn’t know at the time that I was injured and through a series of events, I got to a point where I couldn’t walk for a year. My L4 and L5 nerve displaced my lower back and I couldn’t walk. And I went to the doctor and he said, “You know once I had… ” I had a surgery, the whole nine yards, and I thought maybe I could come back now. He said, “If you get hit again, you may be paralyzed.”

Kyle Zagrodzky:

Wow.

Patrick Morrison

So I felt, I think that was a wake up call. And it was during a period in the NFL, we were in the early nineties, and a lot of guys were getting paralyzed hitting their head like my teammate, Scott Mersereau at the time was with the Jets and Mr. Bard ran into his chest. That was the Jets. When he first… The first guy that got paralyzed in the NFL. He ran into my teammate’s chest. And from that point on, we started seeing different players get paralyzed, and things like that, so that went through my head, right? And that was a wake up call that said, my career is finally over and I went into a state of depression.

Kyle Zagrodzky:

Because you’re only 25, 26 years old at the time, right?

Patrick Morrison

Easy. Yeah, absolutely.

Kyle Zagrodzky:

I mean, just to kind of get your head around that. Like a really good friend of mine who I did a podcast with last year, Sean Callagy, he lost his eyesight. He had a degenerative disease and he was able to make his career and make a lot of rain. But slowly from the time he graduated from college, over about 10 or 15 years, he completely lost his sight. Now he’s about 90% blind and could only see like a little bit peripherally and that’s it. And just to lose… An attorney’s got to read, right? I got to read all kinds of… They consume all these things and a professional athlete at 25, 26 years old. Okay, just saying, “Hey man, you can’t play anymore.” And oh, on top of that, you couldn’t walk for like a year and you’re going through all these surgeries. So what did you end up doing and how did you overcome that?

Patrick Morrison

So, one thing, and I try to emphasize this when I go around and talk. So I’m open to go out and talk and talk to young athletes, talk to schools is that… Talk to college students and college athletes, get your degree. No matter what goes on on the field, you just go to summer school, whatever you need to do, get your degree because the next day is not promised.

Patrick Morrison

And luckily for me, I had my degree. It was a corporate communications, business, and I had an intern at ESPN while I was in college. So I had something to fall back on. Something I could take with me and say, “Okay, here I can move on this.” So I went back home. I did some, as I rehabbed, I did… I was a teacher’s assistant. I was a substitute and I finally got into healthcare. One thing I wanted to do, I had this draw to children, and I started with mental health and then I would worked with at risk youth. And I built my career in the healthcare industry for 25 years working with athletic, working with at risk youth into diversity inclusion in a hospital setting.

Kyle Zagrodzky:

Brilliant. Brilliant. So tell me, what does the future look like for you? What’s kind of next? I know you’re working on this book now. What do you want to do with that and how do you want to continue to grow? Because I could tell there’s still energy and excitement in you and you certainly have a heart to serve, what what’s next for you?

Patrick Morrison

So in regards to publishing, like I said, I got rolling in 2021 we’re here and in another couple of months I’ll have the second installment of my journey Upon This Ground I Trod, which once again, talks about my journey as a football player, after football, through relationships, the agony, the defeat, the successes, and what I’m doing now. And I think I might do a third book, which brings, summarizes everything as an immigrant in America. Because when you’re thinking when you’re young, you fantasize about a lot of things. I mean, you live it. Sometimes reality doesn’t meet up with the fantasy.

Kyle Zagrodzky:

No. And I think one of the things and you don’t really realize it at the time. Tony has this… Tony Robbins has this saying, “Life is happening for you and not to you.” And sometimes you… You know how this is, you don’t realize something’s a blessing at the time, or you don’t realize a challenge or something that you’re hating at the moment is actually something that’s going to serve you later on. And I think with immigrants, one of the things I see as an American born in America, we’re living in the forest, right? And so we’re used to being in this forest of America. When you’re an immigrant coming in, you’re seeing the entire forest. So we’re looking at the trees, you’re looking at the forest and you see the opportunity different. There’s a level of an excitement when an immigrant gets off the plane.

Kyle Zagrodzky:

And this is true for, I think your story and so many of the other immigrant stories I’ve read. When they get to America, there’s just excitement of the possibilities. And they often achieve pretty amazing things. And I mean, you’re a Testament to that as well, because… And this is one of the reasons why I love reading immigrant stories. I Think the one I told you about was from that I’d read to my kids. I read it to them four or five times, Lopepe Lomong, Lopepe Lopez. His nickname was Lopepe. Lopez Lomong Running for My Life and one of the lost boys from the Sudan. And I remember his story when he got here, it was just like, America really? I’m here. And he’s led an amazing life that I think people who are born here don’t get to lead. So it’s a beautiful thing. And it’s a beautiful story. And your life has been an interesting tapestry that I don’t think many Americans get to fully appreciate. So while it was a challenge for you in a lot of ways, also blessing, I see that.

Patrick Morrison

Absolutely. I just want to say, I mentioned in the book too flying over here trying to speak American with that Southern slang you hear me talk about. I wanted to sound like John Wayne. One of the things I saw when I looked out the window was that Statue of Liberty, right? And the Statue of Liberty stands for freedom, justice, and equality. You’re poor, whoever you want, you come to America, you have an opportunity. And I think that’s what people want as immigrants. That’s what people want every day is the opportunity to succeed under their own strength, under their own talents and not be restrained based on color, creed, culture or, gender, and so as I believed in that statute. And I believe in that statute, and I think that is also a motivation for me. And it was motivation that I want to live out that American dream based on what’s in that harbor. You know so [crosstalk 00:29:07].

Kyle Zagrodzky:

That was awesome. That was awesome. I mean, so many immigrating to the United States from Europe, or from Africa, from the middle East, they do get to see the Statue of Liberty when they’re coming in, which is really kind of cool. And the freedoms that you discussed are really you know what the heart of America really is. I mean, we take it for granted, but you see Americans when they think that our freedoms are being taken away. They don’t like it at all, but I think that’s kind of cool. It’s one of the things. We don’t have a very old culture in terms of most of the countries around the world, but of the culture that we do have, I think that’s the thing that always seems to bind us together.

Kyle Zagrodzky:

Let me ask you this, Patrick, anything that you really want people to know about you and hopefully they’ll go out and get your book. Again, before I forget. Before Common Ground, and then the follow-up one is called again, what? It’s…

Patrick Morrison

Upon the Ground I Trod.

Kyle Zagrodzky:

Upon the Ground I Trod. I like that name. So anything that you want to share with people really about the perseverance or the struggle that you want to leave people with before we wrap up today?

Patrick Morrison

Yeah. Thank you again. Thank you again for having me. I think it’s my first podcast, so I appreciate it, Kyle, giving me a platform.

Kyle Zagrodzky:

Hopefully many more. Hopefully many more.

Patrick Morrison

I will. So one of the things I get is we talked about it is that everyone has a gift. Every child has a gift, and sometimes those gifts are identified and nurture and sometimes they’re not, sometimes they’re suppressed through hate, through pain, through just like authoritative type of behavior and just want to control those gifts. I can only thank God for watching over me and looking over me and giving me the opportunity and the strengths and the opportunity to get through the oppression of aunt. For only a moment of time and to use that pain to move forward and redirect my pain on the football field, on a platform where I can let out all that anger in a illegal manner. In a legal way. [crosstalk 00:31:36].

Kyle Zagrodzky:

Yeah. I know, I love that you said that. And I think that anger and hatred and frustration aren’t bad. It just depends on how it fuels you, right? You can turn that to do… Tony talks about this. I reference him a lot because he’s had such a huge influence on my life. One of the six human needs is significance. Every human being has it and you serve it in one of two ways, you either become significant… What is significance? We all want to feel important, right? You either in the metaphor uses, you either go out and build the biggest building in a city to become significant, or you destroy everybody else’s.

Kyle Zagrodzky:

And I think that everybody has frustration, anger, fear, as a component of being human. You don’t… You can’t go through life without experiencing those, but it’s how you channel it. Are you going to channel it to build the biggest building as you did with the NFL? And now you’re doing some other cool things you’re still trying to give, which is awesome, or do you tear everybody else’s building down, which is what bullying or racism is all about? It’s all about feeding significance and dealing with you’re away from motions in a destructive way. And so, man, I’m glad hearing this is your first podcast. I’m honored and humbled to be the guy that hopefully welcomed you to a bigger world that you get to do more of this. And if you ever decide to host your own podcast, hopefully we can have another chat and I could be your guest perhaps.

Patrick Morrison

Absolutely. I really appreciate it, Kyle. Before Common Ground: Living the American dream: The Journey of an Immigrant Football Player is my first book. It won’t be my last and whoever hears this podcast, feel free to pick it up. I think it’s a great read. It’s a quick read and I think it’s good for young people. [crosstalk 00:33:37].

Kyle Zagrodzky:

Yeah, it is actually. And if you have a young kid with aspirations to play sports any level, you should read it to them. And like I said, one of the things my wife and I always read to my kids, but we would always pick a biography or something, interesting story that was fun and interesting, but had lessons in them. And this would be one of those I would read definitely to your kids. There’s not difficult adult themes or anything in there. It’s real-world stuff with the character, the main character you’re going to fall in love with, but also the people that influenced his life and it’s inspirational. And there are many lessons in there. So thank you, Patrick. I love your heart brother. So thank you for taking your time to be with me today.

Patrick Morrison

Thank you, Kyle. Thanks for the platform. Thank you for your guests.

Kyle Zagrodzky:

Yeah, you bet.